STX38 yellow deck won't start


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STX38 yellow deck won't start

Tony My STX38 yellow deck won't start. I charged the battery to full, turn the key, and I think I hear two different clicks. One click seems to be coming from the front of the engine, I don't know where. The other click is the gear on the starter striking the flywheel.

The starter doesn't spin, however. Last week a repairman told me the starter was shot, so I had it rebuilt - now the starter should be good.

I had 12v between the starter's positive terminal and the frame, so that sounds good. Thinking the cable from the battery was hosed, I jumpered the battery directly to the starter as an experiment. No change.

Physically, this thing is a heavy cylinder with a gear on top (the starter?) coupled with a smaller piece (the solenoid?). The battery runs directly to a post on the solenoid. Another wire runs from the key to the solenoid also. This wire has a much smaller diameter than the power cable so it can't be used as a ground I am sure.

Curiously, the starter part (not the solenoid) has a rubber sleeve (for lack of a better description) that looks like a wire is supposed to run into it. There is no wire anywhere, however, that looks like it needs a home. I think it's a holdover from a design change, but I'm not sure.


So what could be wrong? What else is left to check? Battery - wire - solenoid...
My starter has no explicit ground on it, by the way. I'd expect to see a ground as heavy as the red power cable. Does it ground to the engine block?

I am at a loss, any help would be SO appreciated.

bontai Joe How old is your battery? The first click is the solenoid energizing the starter, you said yourself that the second click is the starter engaging the flywheel. Having 12 volts is not enough if you don't have enough amps to turn the motor over. The easiest way to check this theory is to use jumper cables from your car to try jump start the tractor. If that works, replace the tractor battery, if not then I don't know for sure what it might be, exept to start checking all the wiring from the battery to be sure of good ground (metal touching metal- no paint) and that all connections are tight.
Tony The battery was purchased when the mower wouldn't start last year :-P

However, over the winter the key was left in the 'on' position which drained it as flat as possible. It seems to be holding a charge however.

I'm actually kind of confused regarding the difference between tractor and car batteries. How do I know that the car battery won't damage the mower?

I will also try explicitly connecting the starter case to the negative battery terminal to see if maybe a ground wire is hosed.

Bontai Joe Jumping your tractor from your car will not damage anything if done properly (pos to pos and neg of car battery to the frame of your tractor). Both are 12 volt systems with neg. ground, right? Your car battery has more amps than the little tractor batteries do, so it should crank over the motor if the tractor battery is weak. Your battery might show 12 volts, but is it putting out the rated cranking amps? That is what we are trying to find out.
Tony Thank you for your kind suggestions.

I shorted the starter to the 'key' wire, and the starter engaged and spun the engine a few times. Then the battery was done. Odd, given how I thought it had a full charge.

Then I jumped the mower with my truck. The mower sputtered once, blowing a winter's worth of crud out of the carb. It fired right up on the 2nd try. I removed the jumper cables immediately and took the truck back to the front of the house, leaving the mower running.

About 5 minutes later, I made it back to the mower. In the process of getting ready for a test cut, the engine died. Having nothing to lose, I turned the key, and it fired right up.

I am at a loss to explain what is happening. The battery can not charge in 5 minutes.

The battery was bought new last year. Over the summer, it was drained flat at least 3 times by people (not me!) leaving the key in the 'on' position. Will this damage a battery? If the battery is still under warranty should I replace it, or am I being unreasonable?

bontai Joe Letting a battery run dead flat with no charge several times does affect the life of the battery. Whether yours is damaged or not would require you taking it to an auto parts store that offers testing to see how it acts under a load. I'd give it a week and see how it acts. You might have lucked out and get another 3-5 years out of it.
Tony I started the mower today, but it didn't run long before it conked out. I couldn't start it again - it clicked several times, then turned over sluggishly, then did nothing. Once again, when I jumped it from the truck, it started. It did click once when starting it from the truck, however, so there could be more to this than the battery.

The mower stalled while I was mowing, but after more clicks, turned over without a jump.

Tony I got the mower started. It seems like the battery was just really flat. I suspect I'll be revisiting the battery situation, but it is ok for now. Now the engine turns over and starts, while only clicking occasionally.

Now the problem is that after mowing for a while, the mower will simply stop running and won't restart for a while. I installed a new ignition coil, so a lack of spark shouldn't be the issue.

I also think the engine is running too rich. On my old Mustang, the carb had a pair of needle valves that controled the fuel/air mix. Does the mower have something similar? I looked and only found an idle setting.

The only other problem I found was that a tube leading from the carb to the front of the mower, near the spark plug, had rotted and cracked. In the spirit of backyard mechanic hacks everywhere, I wrapped it in black tape so I could get on with it. Maybe it is wishful thinking, but the mower seemed better afterwards. I don't know what the tube is for, looks like a vacuum line. It isn't a fuel line.


Tony I got the mower started. It seems like the battery was just really flat. I suspect I'll be revisiting the battery situation, but it is ok for now. Now the engine turns over and starts, while only clicking occasionally.

Now the problem is that after mowing for a while, the mower will simply stop running and won't restart for a while. I installed a new ignition coil, so a lack of spark shouldn't be the issue.

I also think the engine is running too rich. On my old Mustang, the carb had a pair of needle valves that controled the fuel/air mix. Does the mower have something similar? I looked and only found an idle setting.

The only other problem I found was that a tube leading from the carb to the front of the mower, near the spark plug, had rotted and cracked. In the spirit of backyard mechanic hacks everywhere, I wrapped it in black tape so I could get on with it. Maybe it is wishful thinking, but the mower seemed better afterwards. I don't know what the tube is for, looks like a vacuum line. It isn't a fuel line.


bontai Joe It definitely sounds like you have more going on than just a dead battery. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar enough with the STX series to be of much help with tracking down the electrics. When was the last time a tune up was done? and was the condenser replaced? points replaced and properly gapped?

To answer your question on carb adjustment screws, again I have not worked on these, but it should have adjustments available somewhere, perhaps covered by caps to prevent the homeowner from fiddling about? I don't think your tractor is new enough to have the "tamper proof" throw away carb, but I could be wrong.

Tony Ha, there is a throw-away carb?? I bet it's like $200.

This thing hasn't been tuned in years. Condenser and points are years old, maybe as old as the mower, which is 12 years.

Maybe it's time, eh?


bontai Joe I think I'd definitely spend the $20 on tune-up parts, plug, points and condenser, air filter.
bnb Mine had starting problems, and I knew it was not the carb. or coil, so i took it in. Turned out to be a 16 cent flywheel key. Labor $80, but it is fixed!


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